"Do you jaywalk?" we asked Sonya Sutton on Market Street.
"Sometimes I do," Sutton said.
"Sometimes, yeah," admitted Stacey Smith.
Still, it happens countless times a day in California cities. Now San Francisco Assemblyman Phil Ting has sponsored a bill to decriminalize the practice.
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"We don't know why they data shows arbitrary enforcement but there is arbitrary enforcement. It doesn't lead to safer streets. It criminalizes people who just want to cross the street. We want to make sure people can cross the street safely and not get a citation," Ting said.
Social justice and racial equity strike at the heart of this proposed measure. Supporters cite statistics showing proportionately more people of color being cited and fined as much as $500. Black adults were almost 10 times more likely to be cited for jaywalking than White people.
Such stops, critics say, often escalate situations.
In San Clemente last year, police stopped a Black man, 44-year-old Kurt Reinhold. He resisted officers who eventually shot him to death.
Assemblyman Ting believes his solution will remove the possibility of using jaywalking for racial profiling. "We're saying you can cross the street when there are no cars around," Ting said.
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That definition will likely require more work. The San Francisco Bicycle Coalition supports the measure. Walk San Francisco does not.
"Ticketing pedestrians versus the drivers who are driving in incredibly dangerous ways doesn't make any sense! What little resources we have for enforcing our traffic laws must be laser-focused on our most dangerous driving behavior - speeding," said executive director Jodie Medeiros.
We asked San Franciscans if the social justice argument resonated with them.
"Oh, we're all screwed up with the social justice aspect," said Stacey Smith.
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"I mean it is against the law to jaywalk and it can be dangerous," added Sonja Sutton.
"I think there are other social justice issues to be addressed before jaywalking," said Sean Barry, also on Market Street.
"There is a lot of work to do behind racial justice and principle," agreed Smith.
"Is this the way to start?"
"No this is not the way to start by jaywalking."
Ultimately, the State Assembly will make its own decision, probably in April.